PPV is NOT a magic pill!
OK everyone, I’ve changed my tune. Too many people are contacting me now thinking that this is push button instant riches and that they won’t have to do any actual work. Please do NOT buy the PPCF or PPVF courses unless you could right now walk up to a Roulette wheel and place $1500 on 13black without batting an eye.
Seriously. This method clicked with me, but it has NOT clicked with many other people, and might not click with you either. If you’re in desperate financial shape, this isn’t the magic pill.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Alright, from my limited understanding of this PPV thing, it seems to be a lot riskier and lots of testings involved before you can actually “get it right”. Quite a bit more “hit or miss” involved.
It also seems that you don’t quite have as much control as you would with PPC, since you’re not writing ads to target demographics. Am I correct so far Jon?
If thats the case, then there is still quite a bit of awkword work involved in PPV. But the benefits is that you don’t have to build landing pages, or write ads, or deal with slaps.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:53 am
Yes, there is some truth to what you’re saying. Testing is of course always critical, but with PPV we aren’t at the mercy of Google or the other search engines and their mystery black box algorithms, nor are we stuck with 25 lousy characters to write a great headline in.
So it comes down to finding a good traffic source, and rotating different offers in front of them until we have a “winner”.
Not having to write ads is for me the big deal, because I was constantly getting stuck there.
Jonathan
March 1st, 2008 at 2:22 am
Thanks Jon, and yeah I suck at writing ads too heh…
March 5th, 2008 at 8:02 am
So the odds of making it work are about 36 to 1?
It seems testing is the key to any approach, from ppc to ppv? I presume once one is proficient at testing one’s offers, success is assured; whereas entrants with limited financial resources risk being gobbled up by inefficient methods of testing. They simply run out of resources before they find a “niche.”
The value of the course must be the help it provides avoiding as many such traps as possible?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I’m also hearing that a lot of CPA networks don’t except “PPV” traffic. If this is true then this PPV thing may not be as simple to use as we might of thought…
March 8th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Dick - Well, not being financed well enough to get off the ground is definitely an issue. It’s the same one that plagues beginning stock traders, real estate investors, or most any other entrepreneur. One DOES need to be able to spend money to gather test data… there’s just no getting around that. But I wouldn’t say the odds of making “it” work are 36:1. I’d say the odds of any single OFFER working could be 36:1, yes… which means one has to keep testing in order to hit the winners. Numbers being what they are, you could also catch the winners right away, which I think I have done.
ironhide - So far I haven’t encountered any that have an issue with it. They DO want you to tell them that’s what you’re doing though, so just check with your AM and you’ll probably be fine…
Jonathan
March 19th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Jonathan, be careful, this traffic will get you BANNED from CJ sooner or later, there are people who hunt and report affiliates and get them banned, there is a company that gets paid to do this.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
So what’s the ballpark of how much one would have to invest after buying the course, also is the course released yet, if not, do you know when? Thanks
March 30th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
thatmartin - Nope, I won’t get banned from CJ… at least I’m 99.999999999% certain of that. This is because I’ve gotten specific permission to use the traffic from CJ AND MY MERCHANTS.
How one does this is a pretty closely guarded secret frankly, because I had to jump through some serious hoops to figure it out.
chrisg - Actually the course has already sold out… sorry I didn’t have a chance to catch up on these comments sooner. I don’t have hard & fast numbers yet (the course isn’t in my hands yet but should be within a couple days). My feeling is that it will probably cost anywhere from $500 to $1000 to find a profitable campaign in a new niche/market. Don’t hold me to that, but so far it’s my gut feeling.
Jonathan
April 8th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Hi John,
So will we hear about your re-kindled love affair with PPC soon!!
As an LPgen and SpeedPPC owner i’m used to doing it the slightly complex way but also having a deal of control which I like…
I have some info from various reports on PPV and CPA methods (some very recent from some excellent WSO’s!), would you say that Gauhers info is streets ahead of any of these more general instructions?
I guess it’s a case of saving oneself from a lot of trial and error…
Cheers
Andy
April 8th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Oh and apologies it’s jonathan isn’t it!
April 9th, 2008 at 8:23 am
spent to long trying to get this worked out
with CJ they don’t seem to understand the problem
so I’m contacting network quality,
to see if they can help
this is now
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http://i30.tinypic.com/orqagx.jpg
this was 31 march
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http://i25.tinypic.com/2lwrbr4.jpg
infact a click at CJ is a popup/veiw
an impression is when someone clicks on it
dumb huh
April 11th, 2008 at 2:35 am
you said earlier in your I quit posts that you use CJ
these are all high traffic high paying offers but somethings up
I’m waiting from a call from cj network quality
but I’m sure that they won’t have anything to say….
somethings up with VOM… clients just aren’t getting what I’m sending
and of course nobody know anything….
1st 48 hrs I made 5 sales with about 3000 clicks and less than 1000
impressions then after no sales you see below 13000+ clicks only 91 veiws and 1 sale
and that 1 sale is from the second day…. and since nothing…..
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April 11th, 2008 at 11:12 am
went to CJ network quality control for help and they sent me this…
This communication shall serve as Commission Junction’s notice to you that you have violated the Commission Junction Code of Conduct (http://www.cj.com/pub_conduct.jsp). To avoid termination of your Publisher Service Agreement you agreed to follow and prevent deactivation of your Commission Junction account, you are required to immediately comply with the following actions and indicate such compliance in a reply to this specific e-mail within 48 hours from the date of this notice:
Note:
Please be advised that the use of Vomba is strickly prohibited on CJ. You are required to stop all promotional method through that company immediately.
Please note that current or pending payout(s) may be placed on hold pending notification from you and Commission Junction’s confirmation of your full compliance.
Failure to respond shall also be deemed an admission of liability and acceptance of this letter as 15 days notice of termination, and may result in Commission Junction exercising its right to terminate the Commission Junction Publisher Service Agreement 15 days from the date of this written notice or sooner.
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April 26th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Thanks for the great comments adminx. Sorry I took so long to approve them!
Yes, things have changed a LOT just in the last few weeks. Despite my getting written (and verbal) approval from BOTH CJ AND the merchants I was sending traffic to, now they (CJ) have done a 180 degree turn and are saying that ALL contextual traffic is forbidden - EXCEPT FOR CLICKSOR!! Why that is, I have absolutely no idea. They say they “haven’t had problems with clicksor yet” whatever the hell that means.
CJ appears to be on the warpath against contextual traffic. And just to be clear - I’m talking about sending traffic to my own landing pages where the user even still has to click!! But no, CJ says absolutely not allowed and if I continue to use those traffic sources, they will kick me out.
So… needless to say I’m not putting a ton of energy into CJ at this time. Actually I’ve been so busy finishing up a software project for Gauher and a few other things that I haven’t been doing 1/10 of the campaign building & testing I need to do. I have however figured out how to make good ol’ CPA offers work, and now have a campaign doing $50 to $100/day on autopilot to a single CPA offer. So I’m pretty happy about that, now it’s just time to apply what I’ve figured out and scale it as high and wide as I can!
Jonathan
Oh P.S. Sorry CJ booted you… that’s lame if you ask me! They talk out of both sides of their mouth.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
just want to add been having a knock-down dragout battle with MTA….
in a good way… nice guy the one I work with….
they seem to have a policy about NOT giving any helpful info….
but after MUCH contacting proding asking insisting
finally he gave some interesting info….
didn’t help me much though….
left CJ and joined Copeac and Clickbooth
the problem I’m finding with this traffic source is that the people DO-NOT click on the popups…..
or if I find an offer that they do clickon it doesn’t convert….
or that I called the affiliate network on the fact that there advertisers were NOT repsecting the cookie policy (30 day minimum) there cookies either ended at the end of the session or 24 hours later …
they said they would look into it recontacted me excusing the problem
then no news……
SO after 20000 popups a bunch of high traffic offers tested I conclude that this traffic source is really a hard nut to crack….
I’m not sure if there really are people making $$$ using this traffic source as they say…
jonathan your last post leaves to imply that you’re returning to PPC,
is this because honestly you too are finding this traffic dificult to convert?
I see that MTA bought out WhenU…. why networks don’t sell a working affair… maybe they lost to many clients… the traffic source didn’t convert
law of the jungle… the weak die….
I would really like to hear someone speak the truth hear…
I’m tired of the half truths…
BTW I did finally find an offer that got clicks…
in the cash advance area …. I actually
was getting about One click out of 25 impressions…
no conversions though…
the offer paid out $8.80 … real weak …
contacted the network and told them
that it was impossible to make $$$ on a
highly competitive offer like that … and that
I’d be luky to break-even.. they raised it to $11
wow… it still didn’t convert….
so I did make some $$$ though ….
I’m at about 50% loss….
I guess it could be worst….
in a way I’m kind of glad it’s really
NOT easy cause there will be ALOT of people
that will QUIT this traffic source, I’m still positive
that there’s a way to to crack this nut ….
but NOBODY’S going to tell you how to do it 100%
they want to make $$$, have there egos validated
but DONOT want the competition…..
not dumb huh….
so Jonathan I’ve been truthful here….
can you be truthful here too
can you honestly say that you’re still making
$$$ with this traffic? ($1000 a day)?
June 11th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Just saw this comment, sorry about the delay.
I’m still 100% working on PPV traffic. No PPC (though I have some ideas I want to play with and may test PPC again soon…)
I’m not doing $1k/day or more anymore unfortunately, but I am finding CPA offers that convert nicely. It seems that more and more networks are starting to understand that not all “contextual” networks are the same, like Google’s content network. So when they realize it’s adware, they knee-jerk tell you that it’s forbidden.
I think it’s terribly short sighted, but oh well…
So anyway, for now I’m just following Gauher’s PPV methodologies to the letter and they are working. I’ve also DEFINITELY found that as you start to produce traffic and leads, the networks get a LOT more interested in helping you.
Oh and it helps if you’re about to be on the Top Affiliate Challenge show too. LOL
Jonathan