PPC - I’ve Had It. I QUIT!!
Yep, that’s right. As of today I have officially turned OFF my last remaining PPC campaigns. Find out why below…
P.S.
In case you’re wondering, yes I’m still using LPGen with PPV and it’s invaluable…
Yep, that’s right. As of today I have officially turned OFF my last remaining PPC campaigns. Find out why below…
P.S.
In case you’re wondering, yes I’m still using LPGen with PPV and it’s invaluable…
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 pm
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February 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Great vid Jonathan! Was trying to get things together to make it down to affiliate summit too but couldn’t get away from the office.
Well, suffice to say your vid was far too convincing, just might have to do something similar myself
cheers and talk to ya soon!
Tav
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 am
Hey Jonathan, sounds like a winner. I will have to check it out. Not sure I want to spend $800 on PPC Formula yet until I know the price of PPV Formula. Gimme a ring when you’re in Vegas. I live right here. 7025758520
- Gary
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:35 am
Hi Jonathan,
Not sure how to take this news. I’m pretty successful using PPC (Have about a 350% to 400% ROI with PPC marketing every month.) You do have me curious though.
One thing, does this mean you’re also going to stop the developement of LPgen? Can this technique work in conjunction with PPC to improve on an already great advertising source?
Not knowing much about the PPV process makes me curious, but also makes me and probably many others quite leary.
Can you shed anymore light on what this PPV process involve, or better yet, doesn’t involve?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 am
Jonathan,
How does this integrate with the LPGEN product we have bought from you?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:21 am
Hey J, Its My Island from the PPCf forum.
hmmm..i wondering did one of my posts make you PRODUCE this vid.
“PPV v PPC” LOL.
I want this course now!!!!
All the best Man
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 am
Dude,
Excellent video… I just got ppcf and have not gotten into it yet because
of another project but after seeing that video I am just going to wait and
get the ppvf and start with that right off the bat!
Thanks,
HumDog
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 am
I forgot to ask you… who did your graphics for your lpgen site? I need
a good grapics guy for a project i am working on???
Thanks,
HumDog
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 am
I’m under the gun to get myself ready to get on a plane today, but will answer each comment as best I can ASAP!
Jonathan
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
urggh… i hate it. i wish i’d never play the video.. now i can’t stop thinking about ppv…
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Jonathan,
Great stuff! I, too have left PPC for PPV.
You say “In case you’re wondering, yes I’m still using LPGen with PPV and it’s invaluable…”
Can you elaborate a little (Of course you will more than just elaborate, probably in the form of one of your fabulous videos)?
But for now, I think I speak for all LPGEN’ers when I say that it would be great to see if there are any special techniques we need to be aware of in order to apply LPGEN to PPV marketing MOST effectively.
Thanks again.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
dude with all that $$$ your making you should at least pay for a new hair-cut and a sweater …JMO
February 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Ive just begun researching the Adwords field, and wonder what the reality is about its potential. After hearing so much praise for PPC, now it seems that it was a hassle, too much work, and not remunerative enough?
What level of PPC expertise is required to jump directly into PPV?
I’m very interested in the technology here, but need more guidance.
RMB
February 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Jon, can you give me an example..what networks that works with PPV formula?it’s a CPA offer, adsense arbitrage, or….??????????
February 25th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
What are your favorite PPV networks?
At this time I’m only using…
www.trafficvance.com
www.mediatraffic.com
www.zango.com
February 25th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Hey everyone!
So I’m at Affiliate Summit right now and it’s been non-stop since the plane landed. I’m finally taking a few minutes to answer all your comments. Thanks for them all, I hope my answers are helpful! I do have to say however that I’ve sworn to Gauher that I would not reveal any of the information he shared with me, with anyone outside his “PPV inner circle” so to speak. Once his PPV course comes out more will be revealed, but still only to those who get their hands on it. This PPV stuff is something where the more people that start using it, the harder it will be for everyone, so though it is a bit selfish, I’m keeping pretty quiet on the specifics, other than telling people about Gauher’s upcoming course.
So without further ado and in reverse order…
Mark - I’m using a total of 4 traffic sources right now. I can’t say what they are, but the networks you list look interesting.
White Lightning - I am running offers to CJ merchants (Commission Junction). I suppose you could do anything with it, after all traffic is traffic. But personally I chose to pursue Pay-Per-Sale items and I like the variety CJ has. I’ll be trying Shareasale soon as well.
Dick - My personal experience with PPC was frustrating. I *did* finally see it starting to click though after many months of pounding on it. Some people have hit huge success with it right away, others have never had any taste of success from PPC at all, and some like me eventually get it working after much trial & tribulation. But when PPV came onto my horizon, I was able to make SO much more so fast, that it was clear where I needed to focus my priorities. It was a personal choice, but for the moment I’m putting all my energy into whatever is producing the highest return. PPC is still TOTALLY viable, I have good friends who make huge incomes using it. PPV just seems to suit me better personally, and I believe that most people will have an easier time with it, than PPC. The basic concepts in PPC of choosing offers with good landing pages, understanding conversion rates, etc. are still important. A background in PPC will probably serve you well, though I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely required.
adminx - Wow, I post about something that can take someone from $0 to $1k/day in less than 6 weeks part time and all you can do is criticize my hair & clothing? Interesting.
Jim - I am DEFINITELY still using LPGen. Every single campaign I have runs through it. Nothing really special to know - LPGen is just at its core a very easy to use content management system. It’s easy to organize all my campaigns, I can insert any PHP code I want to do anything, and it’s just so bloody quick to get something up with it. Personally I’m an iFrame kinda guy, though I know many people prefer traditional landing pages. I find iFrames just the fastest & easiest way to go.
Ash - Don’t feel bad! I believe you’re already a PPCF owner aren’t you? If so, you’ll be able to get your hands on PPV in a few weeks I believe… hang in there, it’s worth the wait. Oh and my stats have gotten even higher since I made that video, while I was here in Vegas not working on my campaigns.
HumDog - My graphics were done by a GREAT guy named Ryan, at www.DesignGuruRyan.com. He’s done the graphics for TONS of hugely successful internet marketers, and has extremely reasonable rates. He’s fast, high quality, and affordable. A triple threat! He’s out of Australia and is always my #1 stop for graphics work now, without question. As for PPV, it’s great that you’ve got PPCF, I wouldn’t NOT look it over, as several of his techniques & tricks do apply with slight adjustments, to PPV. Go ahead and at least skim the material, watch the videos, etc. Most importantly of all though, read the forum thoroughly! There is major gold in there.
Graham - Hey there! Good to see you here. I actually had been wanting to produce this video for a couple weeks, when I just hit $333/day ($10k/mo) but I got busy and didn’t get around to it. Finally decided I had to get it out before I left for Vegas, so I gave up on doing something fancy like I wanted to with powerpoint & slides & graphs… and just went quick & dirty. Definitely get your hands on PPVFormula when it’s available!
Brian - I mentioned it above actually, but I still use LPGen just like always. It’s my main nerve center for all my campaigns. I manage everything in it, because it’s just so darn fast & easy to do. I use iFrames personally, but everyone has their preference.
Kenneth - I’m definitely not stopping development of LPGen, in fact I’m trying to accelerate it! There are so many more features I want to integrate, tracking & analytics chief among them. We’re working on those now, but they will take time to get working 100%. As for what PPV does NOT involve, there are several things… but the biggest thing it doesn’t involve, is writing ads! No more ad copy split testing, no more headlines, no more ads period. That’s about all I can say really…
Gary - Good to hear from you! I’m so swamped with stuff here at the conference that I’m not getting a chance to visit any of my friends here in Vegas, but thanks for the offer. I know PPCF looks expensive, but with the number of people who have gone from zero to 5 figures a month within a very short time spane, it’s definitely the real deal. The price of it is also going to be increasing in April I believe, so really now is the time.
Tav - Sorry you couldn’t make it down here! Maybe another time. I understand Ad:Tech is in San Francisco this spring or summer…?
OK that’’s it… I caught up! Whew! Now back to the conference… I’ve met some great people, and it’s crazy how much money the real “players” are pulling in. Even at $30k/month I’m small fry. Sure is great to swim in this pool though!
Take care all,
Jonathan
February 25th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
wow…simply frickin amazing Jon….i’m on it!
February 26th, 2008 at 8:59 am
This video made me smile because I quit all my personal PPC stuff late last year after discovering PPV. ROI (As high as 1:10+) is way better, and brain power needed to get results are almost zero. I have no idea how Gauher/Jonathan do their PPV stuff, but it does work and the graph Jonathan shows is very typical of what you can expect. With that said, if you don’t do it right you can and will lose money.
Personally if I were Gauher, I would (in order of preference):
1. NOT release the course or
2. Sell less than 10 copies or
3. Charge $50K or more for it
Also, PPC is NOT dead!
There are certain things that PPV is no good for, and using PPC with those makes more sense.
Rusty
February 26th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
This is a load of old bollocks.
What does Chaudrey take us for. You want us to buy an $800 product to have the luxury of buying a $1200 product and the $800 product is now redundant.
Make syou kinda sick to think you’re getting screwed.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Hey Johnathan, I love getting your emails evry once in a while! (Heck when was the last one :)).. they are always inspiring.. I’m looking forward to getting LPGen to work with this.. Cheers Andy
February 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Ahhh the comments keep coming. Oh what fun!
Andy Fox-Hulme - Yeah it’s been WAY too long since I’ve said hello, so I knew that it was about darn time. I look forward to hearing how it goes for you!
Harry - A load of old bullocks? LOL OK that’s fine by me that you believe so. You’re now one less person that will be competition for me for the traffic that is now AVERAGING me over $1k/day NET PROFIT. And somewhere along the line you’ve got your numbers all messed up. PPCF is $800, and PPVFormula is launching at $299 and will go up by $100 every 50 sales, until it caps I believe at $699. So let’s recap… a grand total worst-case of $1500 for something that now earns me over $1k/day in 6 weeks’ time? I’ll take that any day of the week.
Rusty - I agree on all counts. The way I see it, Gauher already committed to releasing PPVF (though on a somewhat small scale) and the information WILL eventually get out, so I may as well at least try to steer people to it early while the window of opportunity still exists. I will probably go back to PPC at some point since as you mentioned, it’s better suited to certain things… but for now, it’s PPV all the way!! LOL
ironhide - It really *is* amazing. Every day when I see the money come in, I’m still in disbelief wondering if it’s a dream…
Keep them comments a-comin’!
Jonathan
February 28th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Yo bro,
Congrats on surpassing $1k net/day in less than a month with PPV. Wow.
I am typing to you from a dialup connection in India, so I will be rearing to get back into it when I get back.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
“As for what PPV does NOT involve, there are several things… but the biggest thing it doesn’t involve, is writing ads! No more ad copy split testing, no more headlines, no more ads period. That’s about all I can say really…”
So do you have to create bunch of appealing graphics for that?
February 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
More questions for You
1. Do you need large money to play PPV?
2. Can you help us to understand what’s the most critical skills to succeed in PPV?
Thanks.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I’m not a ppcf member. Is this using adware traffic? I feel it’s a bit unthetical if it is…
February 29th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Hi Jonathon,
Sounds awesome, can you tell us what the cost vs profit spread is? 1:2, 1:3 or more? Also, what is the minimum cost to get started using this method?
Cheers
March 1st, 2008 at 5:16 am
Congrats on the 1K per day - thought it would have come from PPCF not PPVF
I know what PPV is since I am a PPCF member. My comment / question would be why CJ and PPS stuff is PPV not suitable for CPA offers or are you using LPGen for the relevant iframed CPS offers from CJ? and how many offers for 1K a day?
Thanks - and good luck
March 5th, 2008 at 3:46 am
Hi Clutey,
Thought I’d catch up and see how you’re doing…no surprises, still knee-deep in these high octane ‘get in while the money is there for three months before it gets saturated’ markets
You look like you’re having fun and pulling in $$$ - cool! Keep on keeping on mate.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am
yeah cj seems kinda “ungauher like”
but if it works it works…
also about the haircut and sweater
I was just funnin ya… kinda
March 18th, 2008 at 10:16 am
What networks are people here using for PPV? I’m on 3 right now but always looking to expand.
One thing I can say about PPV, I love the simplicity of it!
March 18th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Hey Jonathan,
Great stuff man! Just a few questions for you though about you hitting the $1K per day mark.
-What would you estimate your ROI? I mean several guys I have seen lately in the PPC game, talk about making $3-5K per day, but they are spending $7-9K per day to hit a net profit of $3-5K.
-How many PPV campaigns do you run? How many offers? Just a guestimate if you could…I mean are you running 100+ campaigns or something more manageable like 20 or so campaigns?
Thanks Jonathan, looking forward to your response.
Rob
March 19th, 2008 at 8:12 am
1. this traffic is considered unethical by many
2. this traffic can get you banned from CPA networks
3. this traffic will get you banned from some major networks (SS is one of them), they even pay 3rd party companies to identify affiliates sending this traffic
Certainly not a long term business model to rely on
March 30th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Hey everyone… finally catching up on blog comments!
realwor- You certainly can create nice graphics, but no it’s absolutely not required. You don’t *need* large money but of course like anything, the more funded you are, the more testing you can comfortably conduct and the faster you can move things forward. Most critical skill in my opinion is that of being able to fail and move on fast. I know I know we’ve probably all heard “fail forward fast” before, but it’s so true!!!!
Ash - Yes, it involves Adware traffic but it’s not as simple as signing up with Zango and running traffic. As for ethics… that’s all in how you use it and in how the network behaves. If their software is genuinely opt-in and can be removed by the user, then I don’t see anything that’s the least bit unethical about it.
Joseph - like any traffic source there’s no way to guarantee a particular margin. Personally I’ve been seeing a 200% to 400% ROI on the hits, but remember there are misses too… Minimum cost is as little as you want to spend. But many of the traffic sources require a minimum deposit, like $200 or $500 to start.
Meister - It’s not that CPA is not appropriate, I just happened to make something work with sales rather than leads. I’m still testing CPA leads too (not as much as I need to be) but as yet haven’t found anything that worked well enough to pursue. I’ve been experimenting with both landing pages and iFrames depending on the promotion, as some merchants won’t allow frames. I hit on winners early on with PPV, I think I tested 4 fails before I had several hits in a row. I think I was running like 8 or 9 campaigns to hit $1k/day, when I had everything turned on full blast.
thatmartin - Ethics are relative. What’s unethical about someone opting into an advertising-sponsored free service, and then being presented with ads? Nothing, in my book. Any traffic can get you banned from CPA netwrks, depending on what you’re doing with it. If you are open with the networks about what you’re doing, you can get them to allow the traffic, no problem. Many people believe you *will* be banned from xyz network for using this traffic, but that isn’t always true. It depends on who you get permission from. I am using at least 1 network that everyone says WILL ban me for it, and yet I have their explicit approval to use it, provided I follow a few simple rules.
Jonathan
April 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
1st day on cj
1500 clicks
939 impressions
4 sales 424% profit that day
2nd day
1500 clicks
46 impressions
1 sale 10% loss that day
3rd day
1500 clicks
7 impressions
0 sales 100% loss that day
4th / 7th day 0 sales
on an average
less then 10 impressions per day
I’m writing everyone concerned to get somefeed back
from MT, CJ, VOM…
I should get feedback tomorrow
my conclusion is that somethings up
how is it possible to go from
939 impressions to 7 in 3 days…
people are simply setting up
there browsers / firewalls / popup blockers
to block the adds …..
so unless you set up an iframe and
change your landing pages address everyday
I don’t see how to get around this…
I’m sure you aren’t allowed to answer my question directly
so I guess I’m just blowing hot air….
April 7th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Well my first question is - did you get explicit approval from CJ and the merchant you’re driving traffic to, to deliver ads via popups and client-side software?
If you didn’t, then all bets are off as CJ has VERY strict policies regarding this stuff and if you don’t go through proper channels, they WILL shut you down… so maybe that’s part of it.
I would also talk to the traffic source.
What I don’t understand is how you have more clicks than impressions? You shouldn’t usually have more than 1 click per impression at most. Something isn’t right here but I don’t know what from your comment…
Jonathan